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Post by vincent on Jun 12, 2020 15:35:17 GMT -5
I also see they don't seem to have the charge I think duals have--which seems to both attract and repel. Rather, they just balance each other out.
Right. And actually if they were duals, the operation would probably have gone wrong already, in one way or another.
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Post by Roshan on Jun 12, 2020 15:42:49 GMT -5
Okay, good, so since we agree, vincent , anyone, I'd like to finish their Enneagram types and look at some correlations. (It's always worth the time with either of them because it's impossible to watch them for even a little while without learning something new). I think he is so/sx 5w6(6w7)-3w2(2w1)-9w8(1w9). I understand he may seem higher sp but toward the end he starts to get clownish and antsy and you see how dissipated his energy is. I think she is sp/so 2w1(1w9)-9w8(1w9)-5w6(6w7). She seems to be almost 'white gloves garden party so/sp' but she has a heavy sp cover and I think this impression is coming from all the One and proficiency, and the notorious social 9 Participation. That's what I think but I'm not settled and am always open to suggestions. |
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Post by vincent on Jun 12, 2020 15:50:39 GMT -5
Still watching. I'm thinking they might both be creative subtype. And thus, "true" semi-duals.
I see quite a lot of integrated 6th in both of them.
So if they are not creative subtype, it might be a positive effect of long-term semi-duality. Balancing their Tx 6th as well as it balances their polr.
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Post by vincent on Jun 12, 2020 15:54:03 GMT -5
Okay, good, so since we agree, vincent , anyone, I'd like to finish their Enneagram types and look at some correlations. (It's always worth the time with either of them because it's impossible to watch them for even a little while without learning something new). I think he is so/sx 5w6(6w7)-3w2(2w1)-9w8(1w9). I understand he may seem higher sp but toward the end he starts to get clownish and antsy and you see how dissipated his energy is. I think she is sp/so 2w1(1w9)-9w8(1w9)-5w6(6w7). She seems to be almost 'white gloves garden party so/sp' but she has a heavy sp cover and I think this impression is coming from all the One and proficiency, and the notorious social 9 Participation. That's what I think but I'm not settled and am always open to suggestions.
Well, at first glance that sounds right to me. But i'm tired and i was focused on their ct, so i will watch more tomorrow.
tbcd.
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Post by Roshan on Jun 12, 2020 15:55:21 GMT -5
I'm thinking they might both be creative subtype. And thus, "true" semi-duals. Well, see, his Ti is superlative.
So that would make sense. I dropped the ball on that because I really should have addressed the lack of Ti polr right away. It's completely out of the question. If he didn't have Ti second it would have most likely been Ti first. I'm not at all sure how SiTe creative would differ from regualar SiTe though. She seems very 'soft and warm', despite being so very reserved and a bit socially awkward. She does not have Te chop chop either. |
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Post by Roshan on Jun 12, 2020 15:58:51 GMT -5
I would expect SiTe creative subtype to be common among the 'Math Teacher From Hell' archetype.
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Post by vincent on Jun 12, 2020 16:04:05 GMT -5
Right, she doesn't chop chop much here. But in that context, his Ti (superlative indeed) kinda lead the dance.
Who knows, she might chop chop a lot more when they go to the grocery store together and he get lost between the shelves.
The significant thing here is that they don't weaponize much.
And in semi-duality pair, you will very often see one of the two weaponizing in response to the other one's auxiliary.
They don't do that at all. Either because they are both similarly highly healthy. Or because they both independantly have a strong second row.
Or both.
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Post by Roshan on Jun 12, 2020 16:10:22 GMT -5
Okay, well, if you need to get some sleep we can get back to it tomorrow vincent . EDIT: Don't forget about this one vincent. (6/26) |
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Post by Roshan on Aug 7, 2020 10:22:47 GMT -5
This Bret Weinstein TED talk from 2012, several years before he was in the epicenter of the panopticon, popped up. I think so/sx stacking is way more obvious here. It's also interesting to speculate how someone who's sp last wound up choosing biology as the best way to the broader social good (which does seem to be what he did).
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Post by vincent on Aug 7, 2020 12:38:20 GMT -5
I don't know, but ct wise it might have something to do with Si seeking and Fe agenda. It reminds me of Rupert Sheldrake btw, who is probably also NeTi.
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Post by Roshan on Aug 20, 2020 0:24:59 GMT -5
Here, beginning @24'45" the difference in their stacking dominates the exchange. Heather simply doesn't understand how Brett could possibly question why wealthy people would put such effort into moving, fleeing the city the lunatic fringe is destroying, instead of into stopping the destruction--since this flight will contribute to the collapse of the whole society. Even though she's social middle and double compliant, as sp first she understands that most people simply lack the instinct to behave like that.
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Post by Roshan on Aug 20, 2020 0:44:12 GMT -5
At around 28" Brett lets it all hang out and we really see the so/sx energetically. As semi-duals they sort of share an energy continuum, at least on camera; her SiTe corresponds to very high sp while his NeTi corresponds to very low so they meet in a soft, steady sp middle ground. But now Brett's losing it and he's going off into so/sx frazzleland. I have never seen him do it before but I knew he had it in him.  |
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Post by Roshan on Aug 20, 2020 0:50:51 GMT -5
So then at around 29" Heather starts to get frazzled too but she can't really; she just kind of starts choking on her (heavily One-winged) sp cover. They both start to recalibrate at around 30".  |
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Post by Roshan on Apr 3, 2021 5:01:10 GMT -5
Superegos?
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Post by vincent on Apr 3, 2021 11:43:42 GMT -5
Hmm, there is definitely something going on with her Ne, and it's certainly related to the intertype relationship between them.
But i'm not sure it's the frame-role tension and constant risk of overhelm that is characteristical of super-egos.
I'm wondering if she might actually be Ne polr, rather than Ti polr, struggling to articulate and get out of the mud.
At first glance (i'm about 25 min in so far) i get beta-ish vibes from her rather than gamma ones.
And her opposition between the sky of ideas and ground-level local activism kind of reminds me of our most recent tyke.
So i wonder if she might be a Fi overhelmed TiSe, which would make her his supervisee.
He seems to be quite cautious and careful with Ti delineations, and his Fi polr is even less obvious than it usually is.
And he does seem to help her with the "bigger picture".
I'll watch more soon tbcd.
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